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Today, I released a letter to the President asking that Rove either explain his role in the outing of Valerie Plame or that he resign.  Signed by ninety-one Members of the United States Congress, this letter highlights our concerns about the White House stonewall.

I am joined by thirteen Democratic Members of the Judiciary Committee in asking Chairman Sensenbrenner for hearings on the matter.  I have also co-sponsored a Resolution of Inquiry offered by Rush Holt (D-NJ), requesting that the Bush Administration release all documents concerning the outing of Ms. Plame, and joined Barney Frank (D-MA) in authorizing the Library of Congress to research legal precedent for the impeachment of White House staffers.  

Next weekend, eight other members will join me in holding a series of town hall meetings to commemorate the third anniversary of the Downing Street Minutes.  We are beginning to see the pieces fit together, and I believe these hearings will illustrate how Rove-gate fits into the larger narrative of the Iraq war deception.

Originally posted to Congressman John Conyers on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 01:16 PM PDT.

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  •  re (3.83)
    Just heard you on Randi's show!

    Thanks again for all your hard work in these trying times...

    The truth will eventually come out.

    Steve Holt! hates Benedict Rove!

    by cookiesandmilk on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 08:14:22 AM PDT

    •  agreed! (3.81)
      what is amazing me is that the GOP is trying to defend Rove.

      Go ahead.  Defend a traitor.  

      If a party WHATEVER PARTY starts compromising our security b/c of politics, then that party is treasonous & dangerous to our security.

      My question, which I think Olbermann & other better explained is this:

      To those conservatives out there who love our country, ask yourself this question.  Would you defend this man if he was a Democrat?  It would be as wrong to do so as to attack ONLY b/c he's a Republican.

      Rove embarrassed the GOP & hurt our country.  The GOP needs to decide what is more important:  the party or the country.


      •  Preach It! (2.10)
        I agree except for one thing.... there ARE NO conservatives who love America.
        •  Conservatives (4.00)
               Love of country is not confined to liberals.
          There have been plenty of Conservatives who loved America. Don't Confuse the morons in the White House and the spineless weasels, in the House and Senate, who put Party loyalty above justice, with Conservatives.
          •  Conservatives, independents and liberals (none)
            all love America.

            Unless you have had a sip of the Rovian koolaid.

            •  remember this key point (none)
              ...the level of Plame's identity was only privy to the top of each security body within the Staff/Cabinet.

              That would mean Cheney and Condi dealt with directly, or their immediate assistant senior Staffer.

              Still it would fall on Cheney or Condi to answer this, as they are the person with final authority to clear any disclosure within their department regarding this high a level of authority.

              Thus Karl's leak of "double secret" lets you know that the top of each group was involved and he is now hedging Cheney in doing this.

              Cheney calls the shots- he is the oil connection, he chose self to run for VP and was the person who got Condi in the NSA and SoS positions.                                         Cheney is the big oil money man with ties to Rumsfeld. Each got their start under Nixon and moved up under Ford. Cheney has peer status with Donald and is a supervisor to Condi.

              •  Karl hedged his bet with the quote. (none)
                Plus he draws comparison to some unusually colorful description that lends  one to conclude what the quote on face value was: media spin.

                He's still playing games with the terms and procedure that deal directly with the lives of ours in the field of duty, in combat and clandestine.

                •  Well, if Waxman has anything to say about it (none)
                  Rove will go down hard. All the spin about Rove hearing it from a journalist/not diclosing it knowingly et.c. even if true (and we all know it isn't) will not save him: Rove signed a
                  Nondisclosure Agreement
                  . Under that nondisclosure agreement and the applicable executive order, even "negligent" disclosures to reporters are grounds for revocation of a security clearance or dismissal.

                  Restore Democracy! Denounce the GOP (George Orwell's Party)!

                  by high5 on Sat Jul 16, 2005 at 05:34:15 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

        •  That's just loony. (none)
          Not all conservatives are whack-jobs.

          But in the current climate, with people like Tom Delay and Bill Frist trying to wrap their radical religious agenda in the mantle of conservatism, it's pretty easy to forget that they're not real conservatives -- they're just the ones getting all the press.

          I'm a flaming liberal, and I refuse to believe that there are no conservatives who "love America".

          Don't confuse the American Taliban with real conservatives.

          Wouldn't it be grand if the "conservative" party split in two? They could split into real Republicans and something like "The Christian America Party".

          And we'd have Democrats in office for the foreseeable future.

          A girl can dream, can't she?

          "We come in the age's most uncertain hours and sing an American tune..." Paul Simon

          by mxwing on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 09:44:43 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Ah yes, the myth (4.00)
            of the "true conservative."

            Find me one in higher office right now, a Republican who has stood up against the lies and waste of the Bush people.  Go find one, go.  Good luck!

            Obviously I'm painting with a broad brush here, but basically the current administration simply represents traditional Republican values exaggerated.  Turned up to 11.  It's simply bad versus BAD.  I'm not shedding any tears for the fellow travelers who may eventually regain control of the GOP--they are still part of the problem.

            The news is not the news. I support ePluribus Media.

            by ubikkibu on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 09:51:53 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  I have to agree (4.00)
              Real conservatives either gave up control or were fooled and haven't stood up yet. Either way, where are all these so-called "real conservatives"? Are they so ashamed that they won't speak up? Because IMO they should be yelling about this as loud or even louder than we are. Avtually I know several people who originally supported Bush and the War and now are pissed off that they were taken advantage of.

              I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. -Voltaire

              by baracon on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 10:24:20 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  True conservative (4.00)
                   I have to admit I can't think of one off hand but that doesn't mean I deny the possibilty that they still may exist. They could be hiding in a Southern swamp with the ivory billed woodpecker or somewhere deep in the ocean off South Africa with the coelecanth.
            •  Weird: me, defending conservatives... (none)
              So, I've always understood conservatism to be based on a couple of basic ideas: fairly strict controls on spending and trying to keep the government's interference in people's lives to a minimum.

              Please show me where the current administration has turned these "Republican values" up to 11. Because I'm just not seeing it. Their fiscal policies are wildly irresponsible, and, well, there's the Patriot Act.

              I agree that formerly-real conservatives like John McCain are part of the problem as long as they go along with the radcon faction of the party. But I cannot imagine a political creature like McCain continuing to cast his lot with a party that is becoming ever more loathed by the American electorate.

              The radcons have big, big problems right now. McCain and his conservative ilk are probably getting fairly sick of the radcon parasite, especially as it seems to be draining the political life out of its host.

              And the radcon parasite cannot survive without its Republican host.

              Sorry McCain's the only conservative-like congressperson I can think of.

              "We come in the age's most uncertain hours and sing an American tune..." Paul Simon

              by mxwing on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 11:36:42 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  Take a TEN (none)
              Where are these real conservatives?

              Silence is assent.

              If you are silent, you assent, you are a Bushco fascist running dog.

              Put up or wear the badge folks.

            •  I don't like Bob Barr (none)
              But I heard him on the Franken show the other day and was pleasantly surprised to hear he was a Bush critic.

              It is a very mixed blessing to be brought back from the dead.

              by Steven D on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 11:38:49 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Bob Barr Counts as a Real Conservative (none)
                I went to hear Barr speak at the (San Francisco) Commenwealth Club a few months ago. While I disagree with his position on Clinton (he still thinks Clinton broke the law on perjury), I did find him a principled conservative, and one who stands on his principles. In particular, he was vehemently opposed to the Patriot Act - on conservative grounds. He is also working as a consultant to the ACLU (no, that is not a typo) on privacy.

                The problem is, the radical right has highjacked conservativism, just as they have highjacked liberalism - by using the humpty dumpty method: They defined each word to mean exactly what they wanted it to mean, and then shouted down anyone who challenged them. On top of which, far too few liberals or conservatives tried to challenge them in the first place; we just accepted the terms and ended up trying to defend them. Fell right into their trap.

                And oh, yeah, I suppose you could call William F. Buckley a classic conservative. Haven't heard much from him lately, though.

            •  Ron Paul (none)
              but he is really a real Libertarian who managed to get elected as a Republican.

              I do not recall any elected official joining "paleo-cons".

              Conservatives, for all the talk about "moral relativism", are very flexible.  If dressing in the mantle of Christian intolerance helps in passing corporate agenda and reach new heights of fiscal irresponsibility, they go for it.  In turn, Christian bigot theologians are incorporating bussiness agenda in their theology.  AEI seems to be a junction between these two factions.

        •  Walter Jones (none)
          Rep. from N.C. may be an exception. Maybe talking to families of Iraq soldiers who have been killed and maimed..whatever. I've heard him twice on tv sounding sad about the war and the country going down the tubes over greed. I'm very glad to hear it, from dem or repub
        •  Ultra Liberal (none)
          or ideologue?

          there ARE NO conservatives who love America.

          Have you noticed that's what Bush loyalists often say about us? Have you become what you deplore? Giving a name to your political point of view--"joining up," as it were, is easy. Walking the walk is harder. I'd be curious to hear how you define liberalism, ultra or otherwise. What are your liberal values?

          Anyway, Ultra, remember the Law of the Pendulum: swing too far either way and you wind up on the other side.

          Is nothing secular?

          by aitchdee on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 05:52:05 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  screw jail... (none)
        if he really did commit treason in time of war?

        Shoot him.  Okay you can hang him if you must, but the penalty is death.

        I know that is harsh, but it IS the only repsonse to that act.  Now if he didn't?

        He still needs to resign so his blabbering and lying mouth can not further endanger the nation for political gain.

        •  can't we hang him AND shoot him ??? (none)
          what's with this single focused punishment attitude

          go study about Mussolini, the Italians got to spit on him

          so let's not rule anything out here

          we could hang him, shoot him, and then whack him like a pinata, how's that ???

          •  we could.. (none)
            but that would be a bit undignified, and it could stray into that cruel and unusual punishment thing that we aren't supposed to do.

            Plus we are supposed to be the people with the better impulse control... Dems don't Abu Ghraib.

      •  Rove timeline contradicts Cheney/Libby statements (none)
        Wes Clark chain mail:

        From: "realitybasedliberal"
        Subject: Report Shows Rove May Have Lied to FBI

        Looks like Karl Rove did break the law, the same federal law that
        got Martha Stewart sentencedto six months in prison.

        It now appears that Rove, President Bush's chief of staff, may have
        lied to the FBI in October 2003, a federal crime, when he was
        questioned by federal agents investigating who was responsible
        for leaking information about a covert CIA operative to the media.

        During questioning by the FBI about his role in the Plame affair, Rove
        told federal agents that he only started sharing information about
        Plame with reporters and White House officials for the first time after
        conservative columnist Robert Novak identified her covert CIA status
        in his column on July 14, 2003.

        But Rove wasn't truthful with the FBI, what with the recent disclosure
        of Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper's emails, which reveal
        Rove as the source for Cooper's own July 2003 story identifying
        Plame as a CIA operative, and show that Rove spoke to Cooper
        nearly a week before Novak's column was published and, according
        to previously published news reports, spoke to a half-dozen other
        reporters about Plame as early as June 2003.

        *reminder- Rove is guilty of Obstruction and compromise of CIA assets in the field.

        •  One point worth making. (none)
          If Rove, as he said, found out about Valerie Plame from reporters, then the question is:

          What did he do about it?

          Did he contact the CIA and tell them that a story was about to break concerning one of their agents?  I have yet to indicate anything that says he did.   If indeed he first heard about Valerie from a reporter, it was his duty to contact the CIA to let them know that one of their people was about to be outed.  Whether he knew or didn't know her status in the Agency, he should have immediately passed word to the CIA that an employee's name was likely to appear in the media.  That he did not do so is quite revealing.  A simple phone call to give them a heads up would have been all it took, and the fact that he didn't make the phone call seems to me to indicate that either the whole story about getting the info from a reporter is bogus, or that he didn't want his name attached to the information.

      •  Rep.Conyers, (none)
        Thanks once again,

        The upcoming town hall meetings sound like a great event. This citizen looks forward to each.

        Sometimes we Liberals wax poetic,
           the following is in response to your Huffington Post piece,


           thanks again for your leadership. You listen to citizens, take our concerns to heart, give them voice within the halls of Congress.

           Your efforts to bring forth accountability will once again reap the great American harvest. With this we'll bake bretheren bread, grained with shared bipartisan truth, and break this bread in unity, at the table of discourse.Tend the coals that light this inquiry, mead and mold the shape of its content, rise its hopes with sincerity.
           For this we look forward and give thanks, mindful of the task and praying its fruition. To sit at Justice's seat, as you have done with distinction, and share in serving Democracy, is something which all will once again partake.                                                                                              A new thanksgiving awaits, one that all Americans can share fellowship in, as we welcome ourselves within the rule of law for a return to world leadership, and uphold our obligations to the community of man, starting(of course) at home."

        -Chris Haynie

    •  Thanks (4.00)
      I think Randi has done an amazing job consistently following this story.
    •  Who is Johnny Novato (none)
      and why is he troll rating these posts?

      It is a very mixed blessing to be brought back from the dead.

      by Steven D on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 11:40:00 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Keep up the great work! (none)
    Your continued persistence in liberating the truth is so welcome!  

    Please pursue with all your heart and soul knowing we support your efforts.

    "I'd rather be ruled by a competent Turk than an incompetent Christian." -Martin Luther.

    by antirove on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 08:14:36 AM PDT

  •  Great job again, sir. (4.00)
    As always, I'm proud to be your constituent.

    "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately." - Ben Franklin

    by RandyMI on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 08:15:02 AM PDT

    •  You're here too? (4.00)
      I'm in Hamtramck which has been in Conyers' district since the last redistricting.  Where are you at?

      "I intend to live forever. So far, so good." Steven Wright

      by gsbadj on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 08:41:15 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Great to hear (4.00)
        From my constituents.  
        •  Likewise... (4.00)
          It's great to have a Congressman like you.

          The other thing that I like about having you as a Congressman is that I know that you're a good guy.  As a former workers comp attorney, I've heard nothing but good things about you about your time down at the bureau ... and that came from defense attorneys at Lacey and Jones, my former employer.

          Have a great weekend, Congressman.  We're proud of you.

          "I intend to live forever. So far, so good." Steven Wright

          by gsbadj on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 10:03:13 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Congressman Conyers - (none)
          In an age in which it is exceedingly difficult to find elected officals to genuinely admire, I offer my deep admiration and apprecaition for your willingness to fight the good fight.

          You continue to look for the truth and uphold the promise of our constitution.

          Thank you.

      •  I'm from Southgate (none)
        So I am fairly new to his District.

        "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately." - Ben Franklin

        by RandyMI on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 02:19:53 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Excellent. (4.00)
    Please ask my friend Rep. Mike McNulty to sign on to this and feel free to tell him that Andrew White Chair of the Stephentown Democratic Committee encourages him strongly to do so.

    "We have the power. Sorry if you don't like the fact that we've decided to use it." Posted by Jeremey*in*MS at February 3, 2005 01:59 PM

    by Andrew C White on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 08:16:57 AM PDT

  •  You were great on the Randi Rhodes show. (4.00)
    I will listen for your update next week.
  •  Did you know that your real name is David Conyers (4.00)
    or so says This Weekly Standard article (on page 2)

    On topic however, I'm glad you guys are pushing for this. We need to keep the heat on Rove, and anyone else who may be involved.

    Visit my brand spankin new blog: Operation: Mad Wombat (TN-1)

    by FleetAdmiralJ on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 08:18:18 AM PDT

  •  Give him a pink slip, congressman! (4.00)

    We've got your back!

    Dudehisattva... "Generosity, Ethics, Patience, Effort, Concentration, and Wisdom"

    by Dood Abides on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 08:21:17 AM PDT

    •  Al-Qaeda web site claiming London bombings-Bush? (none)
      Joking about Pink Slips is fun. But there's more a lot more investigation to do. Here's one story that's sort of lost in the forest here, but not on the other side of the pond.

      London bombing 'Al-Qaeda' web site connected to Bush family web server in Houston -- as noted on The Gaelic Starover blog:

      That "Al-Qaeda" Website...

      The blog referenced this Guardian article:

      UK-based dissident denies link to website that carried al-Qaida claim

      What's the fuss--read the above to the near end:

      The server in Houston has intriguing connections. Everyone's Internet was founded by brothers Robert and Roy Marsh in 1998 and by 2002 had an income of more than $30m (now about £17m). Renowned for his charitable work, Roy Marsh counts among his friends President George Bush's former sister-in-law, Sharon Bush, and the president's navy secretary.

      Time to start another box of tinfoil? Another Rovian mislead using 'the internets'? Or time to put on the Sherlock cap and grab the magnifying glass?

      Al-Qaeda = The Database

      (Image from USDOJ image web site)

      "I'd rather be ruled by a competent Turk than an incompetent Christian." -Martin Luther.

      by antirove on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 10:44:13 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Mansiere (none)
           Very nice. Karl must need the mansiere for the extra support.
    •  DUDE! (4.00)
      That's just WRONG, Dood.  

      Tom DeLay is so corrupt...<HOW CORRUPT IS HE?>...He's so corrupt that when he takes the Oath of Office, he holds his hand OUT instead of UP!

      by mlkisler on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 04:18:39 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Hey, All HAIL the Mighty Dood (4.00)
        See the sign ??? them's the rules

        Dood has a personality-photoshop-limerick dysfunction, and it's best to just let him finish

        you can moniter Dood's therapy here

        or visit his "care facility here, if you're brave enough

        but ya can't tell Dood that what he does is wrong, no matter HOW bad you hurt yourself falling of the chair

        the dokter said so

        All Hail The Mighty Dood

  •  thanks for your diligence (none)
    and hard work. I wish you were our president.
  •  I'm calling David Wu (4.00)
    He's not on this one - but was on the Downing Street letter.
    •  Called - they said they'd let me know. (4.00)
      David Wu's office DOES have an (800) number, give him a yell, he often needs a little push.

      (He voted FOR the bankruptcy bill - you might let him know how you feel about that one too)

      Portland Office
      620 SW Main, Suite 606
      Portland, OR 97205

      (503) 326-2901 - Phone
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  •  Thank you... (4.00)
    for not backing down!

    "Free speech is not to be regulated like diseased cattle and impure butter." William O. Douglas.

    by Street Kid on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 08:24:13 AM PDT

  •  Keep it up (none)
    Go to the media. Appeal to the population's sense of right and wrong. Call upon all law abiding citizens to make a judgement on the merits.

    Don't let up.

  •  If a miracle happens... (4.00)
    and Sennsenbrenner agrees to hold hearings, will you be able to find out what kind of damage this has caused our undercover operations around the world?  The human cost, the intelligence loss, and also the monetary cost of having to shut down the cover business that Mrs. Wilson worked under?  As always I am very happy to have you as my Congressman!
    •  Thanks (4.00)
      It's just speculation, but I think we will learn in the next few months the extent of the damage caused and I think it is more serious than has been previously disclosed.
      •  I'm afraid you may be right, sir. (none)
        I think the truth may be very ugly.  Thank you for keeping on 'em!!  
      •  please tell us what you can (none)
        Obviously, the CIA is going to be awfully reticent about disclosing too many details. Though their operation was blown there are probably lots of things they'd rather not disclose.

        That's a shame, because the spin is that this was no big deal. As much of the damage that may be disclosed needs to be dropped in the laps of the pinheads who refuse to see this as a very serious blow.

        "What they found is a silver bullet in the form of a person."

        by subtropolis on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 06:53:55 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Thank you, again (none)
    Please know that you have our thanks and gratitude many times over for all you've done and are doing. The most important thing:

    ....these hearings will illustrate how Rove-gate fits into the larger narrative of the Iraq war deception.

    On a personal note, I thank you for sustaining my sometimes-faltering belief in government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

    Still Embarassingly Liberal! -- Contribute to ePluribus Media

    by rincewind on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 08:29:57 AM PDT

    •  Exactly (none)
      How it fits in the big picture is the most important part.  There's the now apparent deception of the administration on this one little issue, as soon as the book is opened and the pop ups are in their faces, the American public will see what they've been led to.  

      "Count the bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drum." M.J. Keenan

      by Nite74 on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 08:40:47 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  So great to see you on this (4.00)
    "I believe these hearings will illustrate how Rove-gate fits into the larger narrative of the Iraq war deception."

    So nice to see somebody understands what this is about.  It's much larger than one CIA outing, even though that's pretty important in itself.

  •  Thank you, Congressman Conyers, (none)
    for keeping us posted.  You're just so great.

    ...the White House will be adorned by a downright moron...H.L. Mencken

    by bibble on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 08:36:17 AM PDT

  •  Thank you Mr. Conyers! (none)
    Mr. Conyers, your hard work is awe inspiring. Thank you for looking out for all of us and not being afraid to hold this dangerously corrupt administration to the fire for their crimes. I wish you were a congressman in Missouri!
  •  Well Done Congressman (none)
    And thank you for all you're doing.  You're one of my heroes.
  •  Again thank you Mr. Conyers (none)
    I will stand with you as always.
  •  e-mail to my rep (4.00)
    My representative is Pete Hoekstra who is a shill for the republican party and toes the party line like a toy dog on a string.

    He is on the intelligence committee and when the war was just starting, he came to a local meeting to justify his stance.

    I just e-mailed him and stated amongst other things that in light of the DSM and other irrefutable evidence, that either he lied to us or the administration lied to him.

    I also asked him to join with the Democrats to clean up the leaks and ability to create leaks.  To hold people accountable.

    He came in during the "contract to F*** America" back in 1994, and now he is part of the corruption that he was trying to eliminate.

    We'll see if he ignores this, like he ignores the rest of my letters, sending back platitudes that have nothing to do with my concerns.

    America works best in spreading democracy when people over the world see something they want to emulate. Richard

    by Mlle L on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 08:50:50 AM PDT

  •  Who needs a further explanation? (none)
    With all due respect to Rep. John Conyers. one of the few members of government I actually hold in high esteem...

    Gtrab your balls and demand for the president to fire him!

    Rove truely deserves to be fired and jailed. There is no excuse for this treachery.

    This is not a word game. This not about kids saying: "He did it first!"

    This is strictly about a costly and treasonous national security breach, AND the conspiracy to cover it up. No more, and no less.

    Independent World Television

    by m16eib on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 08:56:45 AM PDT

    •  I respectfully disagree with you (4.00)
      In the interests of fairness, anyone accused of anything deserves an invitation to explain or respond.
      •  Damn, its tough being principled (4.00)
        Can you imagine getting a fair shake from Rove if the situation was reversed?  I highly commend you for remaining true to the ideals of our country, even in regards to one of the slimiest weasels to come down the pike.  It just seems so frustrating to have to follow the rules when we all know that SOB has been backstabbing everyone from Ann Richards to McCain to Kerry to Wilson with the most underhanded and repugnant methods.

        I guess that goes with being one of the good guys. Keep up the excellent work Congressman.

        P.S. Any inside word on when we'll hear anything more from the Special Prosecutor on additional subpeonas, indictments, etc.?

      •  But, Sir, He's Had his Chance (none)
        Congressman, with all respect, Karl Rove has admitted that he gave Plame up to Matt Cooper. (Calling her "Mrs. Wilson" doesn't excuse him; David Lazarus just demonstrated how easy it was to find out her name with just that information.) Nor is the White House and its supporters denying any more that Rove was a leaker; some of them are even arguing that he deserves a medal for doing so.

        The president said, several times, that anyone who was found to have leaked Plame's name would be fired. He didn't say the leaker would have to be convicted of a crime first.

        Rove deserves a fair chance to explain any accusation that may be brought against him in a court of law; no argument there. But Bush set a different standard for his staff when the Plame story broke, and we are asking him now to live up to his own promise.

      •  I understand your position on this... (none)
        I don't need to get people to vote for me. lol

        But the fact rremains that he is guilty. It is a given. It is just "How guilty hee is?" and whether the prznit knew ... And more likely "When he knew it?"

        If you don't have a PDF reader... Here is the text... Read it all... There is no exception for disclosing classified info even if you only confirm a previous source... It is illegal!!! And they are "trained" to know this before they to get security clearance!!!

        They are so detailed in this training that even confirming classified info to a news source is a part of that training, and it is wrong.




        JULY 15, 2005

        Fact Sheet

        Karl Rove's Nondisclosure Agreement

        Today, news reports revealed that Karl Rove, the White House Deputy Chief of Staff and the

        President's top political advisor, confirmed the identity of covert CIA official Valerie Plame

        Wilson with Robert Novak on July 8, 2003, six days before Mr. Novak published the information

        in a nationally syndicated column. These new disclosures have obvious relevance to the criminal

        investigation of Patrick Fitzgerald, the Special Counsel who is investigating whether Mr. Rove

        violated a criminal statute by revealing Ms. Wilson's identity as a covert CIA official.

        Independent of the relevance these new disclosures have to Mr. Fitzgerald's investigation, they

        also have significant implications for: (1) whether Mr. Rove violated his obligations under his

        "Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement" and (2) whether the White House violated its

        obligations under Executive Order 12958. Under the nondisclosure agreement and the executive

        order, Mr. Rove would be subject to the loss of his security clearance or dismissal even for

        "negligently" disclosing Ms. Wilson's identity.


        Executive Order 12958 governs how federal employees are awarded security clearances in order

        to obtain access to classified information. It was last updated by President George W. Bush on

        March 25, 2003, although it has existed in some form since the Truman era. The executive order

        applies to any entity within the executive branch that comes into possession of classified

        information, including the White House. It requires employees to undergo a criminal

        background check, obtain training on how to protect classified information, and sign a

        "Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement," also known as a SF-312, promising not to

        reveal classified information.1 The nondisclosure agreement signed by White House officials

        such as Mr. Rove states: "I will never divulge classified information to anyone" who is not

        authorized to receive it.2


        Mr. Rove, through his attorney, has raised the implication that there is a distinction between

        releasing classified information to someone not authorized to receive it and confirming classified

        information from someone not authorized to have it. In fact, there is no such distinction under

        the nondisclosure agreement Mr. Rove signed.

        One of the most basic rules of safeguarding classified information is that an official who has

        signed a nondisclosure agreement cannot confirm classified information obtained by a reporter.

        In fact, this obligation is highlighted in the "briefing booklet" that new security clearance

        recipients receive when they sign their nondisclosure agreements:

        Before ... confirming the accuracy of what appears in the public source, the signer of the

        SF 312 must confirm through an authorized official that the information has, in fact, been

        declassified. If it has not, ... confirmation of its accuracy is also an unauthorized



        Mr. Rove's attorney has implied that if Mr. Rove learned Ms. Wilson's identity and occupation

        from a reporter, this somehow makes a difference in what he can say about the information. This

        is inaccurate. The executive order states: "Classified information shall not be declassified

        automatically as a result of any unauthorized disclosure of identical or similar information."4

        Mr. Rove was not at liberty to repeat classified information he may have learned from a reporter.

        Instead, he had an affirmative obligation to determine whether the information had been

        declassified before repeating it. The briefing booklet is explicit on this point: "before

        disseminating the information elsewhere ... the signer of the SF 312 must confirm through an

        authorized official that the information has, in fact, been declassified."5


        Mr. Rove's attorney has also implied that Mr. Rove's conduct should be at issue only if he

        intentionally or knowingly disclosed Ms. Wilson's covert status. In fact, the nondisclosure

        agreement and the executive order require sanctions against security clearance holders who

        "knowingly, willfully, or negligently" disclose classified information.6 The sanctions for such a

        breach include "reprimand, suspension without pay, removal, termination of classification

        authority, loss or denial of access to classified information, or other sanctions."7


        Under the executive order, the White House has an affirmative obligation to investigate and take

        remedial action separate and apart from any ongoing criminal investigation. The executive order

        specifically provides that when a breach occurs, each agency must "take appropriate and prompt

        corrective action."8 This includes a determination of whether individual employees improperly

        disseminated or obtained access to classified information.

        The executive order further provides that sanctions for violations are not optional. The executive

        order expressly provides: "Officers and employees of the United States Government ... shall be

        subject to appropriate sanctions if they knowingly, willfully, or negligently ... disclose to

        unauthorized persons information properly classified."9

        There is no evidence that the White House complied with these requirements.



        1 Executive Order No. 12958, Classified National Security Information (as amended), sec. 4.1(a) (Mar.

        28, 2003) (online at


        2 Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement, Standard Form 312 (Prescribed by NARA/ISOO) (32

        C.F.R. 2003, E.O. 12958) (online at


        3 Information Security Oversight Office, National Archives and Records Administration, Briefing

        Booklet: Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement (Standard Form 312), at 73 (emphasis added)

        (online at

        4 Executive Order No. 12958, sec. 1.1(b).

        5 Briefing Booklet, supra note 3, at 73.

        6 Executive Order No. 12958, sec. 5.5(b) (emphasis added).

        7 Id. at 5.5(c).

        8 Id. at 5.5(e)(1).

        9 Id. at 5.5(b). wrote:

        Independent World Television

        by m16eib on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 03:27:24 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  And the fact that you post a diary... (none)
        and actually show up to defend your point of view afterwards with the rest of us diggers on this community...

        Only raises the bar on what is worthy of people's high esteem.

        Keep raising the bar Sir...

        Independent World Television

        by m16eib on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 03:41:36 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Respect (none)
      I believe that a man of honor, like Rep. John Conyers, should always be spoken to in a highly respectful way.

      "KBO." "It's the order of the day." -- Winston Churchill

      by joanneleon on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 03:54:04 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Good Luck (none)
    In getting Sensenbrenner to hold hearings. I'm sure he has his marching orders from Rove/Delay to short-circuit any attempt to investigate this fairly. Unfortunately I'm afraid we will all have to wait for Fitzgerald to finish his Grand Jury inquiries before we learn anything substantial.
    Gee, to have an indepedent Congress would be nice, maybe after next years election.

    If any questions why so many died, tell them, because our fathers lied." Rudyard Kipling

    by TexDem on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 08:57:27 AM PDT

    •  PS (4.00)
      My Father-in-law worked for the agency. He retired 24 years ago (at age 55). Fortunately he always had official cover (black passport) so this issue hits very close to home.

      If any questions why so many died, tell them, because our fathers lied." Rudyard Kipling

      by TexDem on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 09:06:01 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Perhaps you can answer a question then (none)
        As a government employee with a (I assume) secret clearance, wasn't it Karl Rove's duty to notify the CIA (or at least his immediate supervisor) about hearing this information about Valerie Plame?  At this point, I don't remember anybody indicating that Karl notified the proper authorities when he heard of this security breach.  This alone should result in a review of his security clearances, should it not?
  •  Dear Senator... (none)
    Are you running in '08?  Win or lose on Rove or the DSM, you'd have my vote.
    •  Congressman, oops (none)
      I was just checking out Senator Mikulski's apologies.
      •  And yes I meant... (none)
        Are you running for President, not Senator, LOL.  It's after 5pm and my brain has turned to mush.
        •  No, But Thanks (4.00)
          My wish is to be reelected in 2006 and for Democrats to retake the House so that I can become Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.  Still, that is a really nice compliment.
          •  We share your dream, Chairman Conyers (4.00)

            and we will be working hard to make it a reality. Your efforts provide a model of what we can hope to achieve.

            Certainly there would be no better way for you to stifle the nattering nabobs in the columns of the Washington Post than for you to become Chairman in 2006.

          •  Oh, man (none)
            That's my idea of justice.

            Chairman John Conyers.  That has a perfect ring to it.

            We live in hope.

            Political Strategy

          •  Yes! (4.00)
            It wasn't until this year that I learned how important it is to have control over the committees, and began to understand the magnitude of power of the majority party, and such.  Your DSM hearings gave me a much better understanding of how my government works.

            There are many reasons why you would make a great chairman of that committee.  We need a man of honor, like you, in that position.  We need someone who has a strong sense of what is right and just, and who has the courage to stand up for it even in very difficult situations.  

            For example, we need someone who would allow Capitol meeting rooms under his control to be used for hearings that are important and in the best interest of the people without allowing partisanship to interfere with his decision.  

            You're the perfect man for that job.

            But I can still hope that you might choose to run for a higher office at some point too!

            Best regards.  

            P.S.  I can't tell you how much it means to me when you publish a diary, and then take the time to read the comments and respond to some of them.  A man of the people and for the people, through and through.  

            "KBO." "It's the order of the day." -- Winston Churchill

            by joanneleon on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 04:15:06 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  You won't get my vote. (none)
            I live in California.

            But you'll get my money, my resources and my unflagging support.

            Please feel free to visit and post at My Left Wing, my spin-off blog (open for business as of this morning, 7000 individual visitors so far).

  •  Yes! Thank you Rep Conyers. (4.00)
    We are so grateful.

    The bigger question yet again, is what did Bush know and when did he know it.

  •  I have one question (none)
    and I don't mean to be facetious, this is a serious question --

    Why are you doing all the heavy lifting, sir?

    I adore what you're doing, but it seems like you're very nearly the only one.

    Where is your equivalent in the Senate, for instance?

    We need more people like you.  Many more.

    •  Many, many more (4.00)
      Many Members of Congress are concerned about this and you will hear more and more speaking out over the next week.  I have heard from so many colleagues that they plan on pursuing this both with me and in their own way in the very near future.
      •  Letters to Congress (4.00)
        Can you suggest any language that would catch the attention of members of Congress, particularly Republicans?  I realize that the defensiveness level must be high at the moment; is that any way to tap on that wall gently?


      •  As a costituent of Senators (none)
        Obama and Durbin, I comend your taking a leading,and highly visual stand on this matter as well as the DSMs. I can hardly wait to hear of Sensenbrenner's opinion on this matter.

        Good luck and thank you.

        "I got my Bible and I got my handgun. Now we're ready. Are you?"

        by Skid on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 01:08:04 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  I have some concern with the pace (none)
        of the investigations.  While I do believe it is a great idea to boot Rove at the earliest possible moment, before we get the grand jury result would be great, I think it may be wise to move more slowly on the broader DSM issues.  The real prize is taking control of Congress in 2006, and issue have to be fresh to impact the voting public.

        Take a clue from Rove's 2002 strategy.  He advised republicans to make war in Iraq the central issue of their campaign and the administration obliged with the slow but constant drum beat of war in Iraq speeches, press releases and photo ops.

        I personally believe there is much more out there to nail this administration with.  Dig up every old story that paints the administration in a bad light and give them new life.  There are plenty of stories out there that we can exploit such as the Cheney oil deal, manipulation with environmental reports, funding for Vets etc..  Use these stories whenever, but save the big guns until at least the spring of 2006 and save the real zingers until October.  We want to impeach Bush, not give Rove et al time to recover.

        Thanks and gratitude from a red state.

  •  Once Again (4.00)
    Rep. Conyers,

    As always, thank you for your undying effort to uncover the truth. Your diligence and bravery must be held up as the standard among all Representatives. I applaud you, Sir.

  •  I (4.00)
    I heard your interview on Randi's show.

    Thanks a lot for all the great work you. I wish every congressperson had your courage. What a better place the world will be!

    Congressman Conyers,

    I'm all for sticking it to the Republicans everyway you can, but the Rove thing is small potatoes.

    You should be more concerned with peak oil and the prospect that rising oil prices will spark a Hyper-Depression, a worldwide economic collapse, the likes of which we've never seen before.

    Like I said, I'm all for sticking it to the Republicans everyway you can, but the Rove thing, is just fiddling while Rome burns.

    •  Oh really (none)
      Fiddling while Rome burns? So what's your best course of action. Drop it all? You think Bush/Cheney are going to be sober wise men on the subject of peak oil? We need to ensure maximum transparancy in government, which includes cleaning up the lying in the White House on the subject of WAR, for god's sake, in order for any progress on any matter requiring competent stewardship from those in government.

      Rove is not small potatoes. He's merely the hole that will be responsible for sinking the Titanic.

      •  Isn't it interesting... (none)
        how as of late, the Republican party's strongest assests (for all different reasons) Bush II, Frist and Rove are now its weakest links?


        Flag burnings occur on average 8 times a year. Is the time/$ cost of a constitutional amendment really worth anyone's tax dollars - even if they support it?

        by deep6 on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 09:38:03 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Here's the list (4.00)

    John Conyers
    Sheila Jackson-Lee
    Diane Watson
    Maurice Hinchey
    Sam Farr
    Zoe Lofgren
    Barbara Lee
    Corinne Brown
    Bernie Sanders
    Raul Grijalva
    Danny Davis
    Jim McGovern
    Henry Waxman
    Lynne Woolsey
    Mike Honda
    Jay Inslee
    Frank Pallone
    Bennie Thompson
    Charlie Rangel
    Hilda Solis
    Mike Capuano
    Jim McDermott
    Adam Smith
    Marty Meehan
    Carolyn Maloney
    Louise Slaughter
    Jose Serrano
    Tom Udall
    Robert Wexler
    Maxine Waters
    Chris Van Hollen
    Gwen Moore
    Don Payne
    Marcy Kaptur
    Tammy Baldwin
    Ted Strickland
    Martin Olav Sabo
    Anthony Weiner
    Jerry Nadler
    Loretta Sanchez
    Linda Sanchez
    Mel Watt
    Debbie Wasserman Schultz
    Barney Frank
    John Lewis
    Artur Davis
    Elijah Cummings
    Al Wynn
    Jan Schakowsky
    Luis Gutierrez
    Rush Holt
    Diana DeGette
    Bill Delahunt
    Pete Stark
    Gary Ackerman
    Major Owens
    John Olver
    Pete DeFazio
    Jim Moran
    Jesse Jackson, Jr.
    Bobby Rush
    Patrick Kennedy
    Shelley Berkeley
    Lloyd Doggett
    Dale Kildee
    Jim Cooper
    Ellen Tauscher
    Cynthia McKinney
    G.K. Butterfield
    Steve Rothman
    Jim Langevin
    Rosa DeLauro
    Bob Filner
    Xavier Becerra
    Joe Crowley
    Sandy Levin
    Kendrick Meek
    Eddie Bernice Johnson
    Alcee Hastings
    Doris Matsui
    Bobby Scott
    Ed Markey
    Brad Sherman
    Rob Andrews
    Stephanie Tubbs Jones
    Nydia Velasquez
    Grace Napolitano
    Howard Berman
    Neil Abercrombie

  •  Great (none)
    While you're at it, any chance that any of the 91 want to file an ethics complaint against Randy Cunningham?

    You can laugh/A spineless laugh/We hope your rules and wisdom choke you - Radiohead

    by strannix on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 09:40:53 AM PDT

  •  wowee!!! (none)
    Thank you so much for everything you are doing!

    Please consider having a town hall meeting in Denver.

    Ken Salazar (D-CO), who said he'll vote for the Flag Desecration Amendment, needs to hear from us.

    by OLinda on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 09:48:30 AM PDT

  •  THANX again sir , keep it up. (none)
  •  Good work...... (none)
    Thanks so much for standing up for the truth....
  •  Like Father, Like Son (none)
    If Big George fired Rove...

    why can't Little George?

  •  I heard you today on Randi Rhodes (none)
    the two of you are awesome back and forth for these poor ears....I don't think I've ever heard Randi close to choking up, but she was today when your told her you were proud of her...

    Sir, know that there are very many of us right here behind you every step of the way!

    To write in plain vigorous language one has to think fearlessly, and if one thinks fearlessly one cannot be politically orthodox. George Orwell, 1946

    by deepintheheartoftx on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 10:44:40 AM PDT

  •  Thank you for all that you do! (none)
    Mr. Conyers- when do you find time to sleep?
    You are my hero.

    Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding.-Albert Einstein

    by fooj on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 10:58:20 AM PDT

  •  FYI: Cooper on "Reliable Sources" (none)
    Special one-hour edition this Sunday.

    "Cooper will discuss his experience and exposure of his source, one of the president's top men, adviser Karl Rove, who last year told CNN that he did not leak Plame's identity as a CIA operative, and still maintains he only passed on the info after getting it from a journalist."


  •  Speak softly and carry a big stick (none)
    Way to go Congressman Conyers.

    The law is the last option that we have to keep this administration accountable for its actions.

    Keeps the flame of democracy alive. No one is above the law.

    Thank you for continuing to exercise Congress's power to hold the Executive Branch accountable. Are there any Senators who will join you?

  •  So Great! I'm proud to have born in your district. (none)
    I'm sure you are aware of the emerging scandal, related to this, about the leak from Homeland Security last summer, when Condoleeza Rice admitted we had outed an al-Queda double agent. The French are now saying that 2 of the bombers were among those who escaped when the Brits had to roll their op up early because of that politically motivated leak. It is truly an outrage, and it resonates. Reminding folks that this is SOP with this crew.

    We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. Aesop (620 - 560 BC)

    by AWhitneyBrown on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 11:07:25 AM PDT

  •  John Conyers for President! (none)
  •  reposting this because no one is responding (none)
    The spinning is starting to get pretty ridiculous on both sides and I'm having trouble sifting out the facts.  Is there a definitive answer on the last date Plame was actually undercover?    This guy in the Washington times has this to say-   (A former CIA covert agent who supervised Mrs. Plame early in her career yesterday took issue with her identification as an "undercover agent," saying that she worked for more than five years at the agency's headquarters in Langley and that most of her neighbors and friends knew that she was a CIA employee.
        "She made no bones about the fact that she was an agency employee and her husband was a diplomat," Fred Rustmann, a covert agent from 1966 to 1990, told The Washington Times.
      So what is the deal, was she undercover in the previous five years or not?  Don't answer this if you don't know.
    •  Well that's not what Larry Johnson said (none)
      a former CIA colleague of hers:
      For starters, Valerie Plame was an undercover operations officer until outed in the press by Robert Novak. Novak's column was not an isolated attack. It was in fact part of a coordinated, orchestrated smear that we now know includes at least Karl Rove.

      Valerie Plame was a classmate of mine from the day she started with the CIA. I entered on duty at the CIA in September 1985. All of my classmates were undercover--in other words, we told our family and friends that we were working for other overt U.S. Government agencies. We had official cover. That means we had a black passport--i.e., a diplomatic passport. If we were caught overseas engaged in espionage activity the black passport was a get out of jail free card.

      A few of my classmates, and Valerie was one of these, became a non-official cover officer. That meant she agreed to operate overseas without the protection of a diplomatic passport. If caught in that status she would have been executed.

      The lies by people like Victoria Toensing, Representative Peter King, and P. J. O'Rourke insist that Valerie was nothing, just a desk jockey. Yet, until Robert Novak betrayed her she was still undercover and the company that was her front was still a secret to the world. When Novak outed Valerie he also compromised her company and every individual overseas who had been in contact with that company and with her.

      The Republicans now want to hide behind the legalism that "no laws were broken". I don't know if a man made law was broken but an ethical and moral code was breached. For the first time a group of partisan political operatives publically identified a CIA NOC. They have set a precendent that the next group of political hacks may feel free to violate.

      I trust the Washington Times as far as I could throw a 200 lb. anvil.

      It is a very mixed blessing to be brought back from the dead.

      by Steven D on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 11:49:17 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Simple Answer (4.00)
      There would not be a grand jury investigation if she was not.  No responsible prosecutor would have left square one unless the easily checked out elements of the crime were met.  This is a red herring.  

      As for the gentleman quoted in the Washington Times, you should consider the source.  

      All of these types of attacks and red herrings are designed to distract from the essential truth: someone, in fact more than one someone, in the White House leaked the identity of a covert operative to smear her husband.  That was wrong and likely a serious violation of federal law.

    •  And here's what her neighbors had to say about her (4.00)
      From a July 5th NYTimes article by Scott Shane:
      "Before this whole affair, no one would ever have thought of her as an undercover agent," said David Tillotson, a next-door neighbor for seven years who got to know the Wilsons well over back-fence chats, shared dinners and play dates for their grandchildren with the Wilsons' children, Trevor and Samantha.

      "She wasn't mysterious," Mr. Tillotson said. "She was sort of a working soccer mom."

      He recalled his incredulity on July 14, 2003, when his wife, Victoria, spotted in The Washington Post, in a syndicated column by Robert Novak, a line identifying their neighbor by her maiden name and calling her an "agency operative." Ms. Tillotson kept calling out: "This can't be! This can't be!"

      The Wilsons' neighbor on the other side, Christopher Wolf, was similarly aghast. As he sat on his deck staring at the Novak column, Mr. Wilson came out his back door.

      "I said: 'This is amazing! I had no idea,' " Mr. Wolf recalled. "He sort of motioned to me to keep my voice down."

      It is a very mixed blessing to be brought back from the dead.

      by Steven D on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 11:55:34 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Good to see you again, Rep Conyers! A request... (none)
    ...what is the URL for the official hosted version of the 'impeachment inquiry' letter/press release?

    Enquiring minds want to know... :)

    •  Not posted (none)
      Though it was sent to a number of blogs, I am not sure my staff or Barney's staff put it on an internet site.
      •  Thanks for the reply and your service, Congressman (none)
        If it should be officially hosted, please keep us posted! :)

        After a few conversations yesterday and today, and the online talking points battle, I can honestly say your leadership now, your visibility, is a tremendous boost for us 'information warriors' in the trenches.

        The GOP talking points, while they don't pass the 'smell test' (thanks, Ambassador!), are relentless. Thanks for shoring up the side of fact - we're up against the master of spin and disinfo on this one.

  •  Check this out -- Rove email to Hadley (none)
    Sorry for the bad form on the piece of the AP article, but this is very interesting:


    "After mentioning a CIA operative to a reporter, Bush confidant Karl Rove alerted the president's No. 2 security adviser about the interview and said he tried to steer the journalist away from allegations the operative's husband was making about faulty Iraq intelligence.

    The July 11, 2003, e-mail between Rove and then-Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley is the first showing an intelligence official knew Rove had talked to Matthew Cooper just days before the Time magazine reporter divulged CIA officer Valerie Plame's secret identity.

    "I didn't take the bait," Rove wrote in an e-mail obtained by The Associated Press, recounting how Cooper tried to question him about whether President Bush had been hurt by the new allegations."

    •  "I didn't take the bait" (none)
      WTF is he talking about? The GOoPers are saying it exonerates him? Huh? These guys are amazing! Take a phrase out of context, put it in another context and (presto) he didn't do it. It's clear that Rove outed a CIA agent. The bait that he didn't take was answering the question as to whether or not Wilson's claims were hurting Bush. I can't see where you can reach any other conclusion. He wasn't willing to go on record as saying Bush was in trouble. Am I wrong here. Also, how come this came out on a weekend, if it is so helpful to Rove?

      I think the American people--I hope the American-I don't think, let me--I hope the American people trust me.-George W. Bush

      by kitebro on Sat Jul 16, 2005 at 04:27:02 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  This doesn't help Rove at all (none)
        as far as I can tell.  What it does is put Hadley front and center.  I do wonder how Condi fits in all of this now.  

        It will be interesting to see what actually comes out of the investigation. This is getting crazier and crazier every moment.  No wonder it has taken longer for this investigation than Watergate did.  

        •  So, given this information, some questions. (none)
          1. When was the first time Rove says he heard about Wilson's wife being a CIA employee and that she was an item of interest to the media.  It was obviously before Wilson's call.  If he heard it from Novak, when was that, and what did he do with the information.

          2. How long after he heard this did he notify the proper authorities that one of the CIA's employees was being looked at by the media, and might possibly be included in a story.  The longer the gap, the more suspicious it looks.

          3)If Hadley was the authority, what did he do with that information.  The memo seems to indicate that they had covered the topic before, so when did they first discuss Valerie Plame?

          I'd like to see a timeline on the information flow about Valerie, from the time Karl says he heard about it, to the time the CIA found out about it.

  •  Mr. Conyers, I am looking so forward (none)
    to the Administration response to your FOIA request.  By my calculation, it is required by statute by next week on July 28.  I think you are doing excellent work in giving the White House the shovel to dig their grave a little deeper.  Please pursue this information request to its conclusion - which I assume is the Supreme Court!
  •  RE: Thank you (none)

        I really wish you represented Oakland County instead of Mr. Rogers.(no, really, Mike Rogers).  I just moved to Michigan last year from Connecticut and so far your hard work in Congress has been some of the best part.

        Again thank you.

  •  thank you (none)

    "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." - FDR

    by Vitarai on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 02:16:20 PM PDT

  •  Disappointed in my rep - the Minority non-leader (4.00)
    Where the hell is my rep - from San Francisco? Half the Democratic California delegation has signed on to this. Where is the Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi?

    Guess I have some calls and emails to make by Monday morning!

    "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." - FDR

    by Vitarai on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 02:21:10 PM PDT

  •  Thanks, again, for looking out for us. (none)
    The media's missing the big picture, as usual, that Karl Rove's smear campaigns are a threat to national security; instead of allowing people like Joe Wilson and Scott Ritter explain what they knew about WMD's, Rove & company attacked them--just like he did McCain in 2000. Rove, Fox News, and the RNC have some explaining to do--over 1700 U.S. soldiers are dead because the Bush Administration can't face up to dissent.
  •  Thank you... (none)
    ...Congressman Conyers for all your work and for addressing us here in this forum.  

    Be the creature. (But not a Republican.) blogomni

    by boran2 on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 03:09:17 PM PDT

  •  Thank you Congressman Conyers! (none)
    I wish we could clone you! You are my hero for the work you do -- following up on important issues, listening and responding to the needs of the people, being our voice in government. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

    "If you don't know where you are going, you might not get there." --Yogi Berra

    by vlogger on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 03:09:43 PM PDT

  •  Thank you for your courage (none)
    It is wonderful to see someone with a backbone in this congress.  We really appreciate your efforts in Ohio when we have so few in Congress working to right the many wrongs!

    "Kudos to those willing to stick their necks out over the block, before the rest of us are willing to admit we are reading the diary!"

    by midwestmom on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 03:26:14 PM PDT

  •  Thank you for your courage (none)
    It is wonderful to see someone with a backbone in this congress.  We really appreciate your efforts in Ohio when we have so few in Congress working to right the many wrongs!

    "Kudos to those willing to stick their necks out over the block, before the rest of us are willing to admit we are reading the diary!"

    by midwestmom on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 03:27:28 PM PDT

  •  Thank You (none)
    I have been very impressed by your courageous actions, Congressman Conyers.  You have chosen to put the good of the country above all other interests.  

    I had just about given up hope on our nation's leaders and then you stepped forward.  No matter how all this plays out, you have rejuvinated my faith in all that is moral and good.  The future is always worth fighting for and we do not have to give into the will of criminals.  You continue to be an inspiration to my family and me.

    "Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things" -- George Carlin

    by bhuddaboy on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 03:55:56 PM PDT

  •  Why aren't they all as brave as you? (none)
    Rep. Conyers, it's a downright disgrace that not every single Democrat in Congress is signing on to your attempts to get answers from the White House and to fire Rove.  I'm bitterly disappointed that my Representative, Nancy Pelosi, the leader of our party in Congress (!) is not standing at your side.

    So, I thank you for being my voice and the voice of many others whose Representatives are not standing at your side at this incredibly important moment in this administration.  I will be writing Rep. Pelosi to inform her of my disappointment.  In fact, I'd encourage all Kossacks whose Representative is not standing by your side to do the same!  

    You are a pillar of light in a dark horizon of deceit, lies, and perhaps treason.  Thank you for all you are doing.    

    •  Apparently she has her own letter (none)
      I found this interesting.  

      Democratic Leaders to Speaker Hastert: Congress Must Investigate Leak of CIA Agent's Identity

      Washington, D.C. - House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer, Democratic Caucus Chairman Robert Menendez, and Democratic Caucus Vice Chairman James E. Clyburn sent a letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert today calling on him to direct House committees to immediately schedule hearings into the White House's involvement in leaking the identity of CIA covert agent Valerie Plame.

      more info in the linked story, including the letter

      I don't understand why the minority leader, and the minority whip (who is supposed to help the party stand together on issues like this) are not supporting Conyers.  All four who wrote this letter are not on Conyers' list.  And even if they did want to write their own letter addressed to Hastert, why not sign Conyers' as well?  I find this troubling.  Maybe I'm missing something?

      "KBO." "It's the order of the day." -- Winston Churchill

      by joanneleon on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 04:58:22 PM PDT

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  •  What goes around, comes around...AGAIN. (none)
    disclaimer: this is not my diary nor am I pimping anyone's diary.  This is simply good information which, in hindsight is relevent to this discussion.

    I went searching for connections and news reports concerning Ari Fleischer, Jeff Gannon, and the Plame leak.  
    the full diary is by Spiderleaf from February of this year and again, with hindsight is worth review.
    permalink here.

    Regarding the INR classified memo that Gannon says he saw/didn't see, it's now clear that this memo was leaked to "friendly admin sources" - this same memo forms the basis of the RNC talking points about Wilson's 'lies' about the trip.  This memo is a major point of the GOP defense against Wilson.  And the CIA has disputed its authenticity.

    an excerpt from spiderleaf:
    once Gannon thought the storm had passed, he reveals that he was leaked the memo, or at least told of its contents... (sometime last year in an article on his website "Joe Wilson Lied and Owes George W. Bush and America (and Me) an Apology". There is no date stamp on the article)'s%20Washington/joe_wilson_lied_and_owes_bush_an.htm

    A memo written by an INR (Intelligence and Research) analyst who made notes of the meeting at which Wilson was asked to go to Niger sensed that something fishy was going on.  That report made it to the outside world courtesy of some patriotic whistleblower that realized that a bag job was underway.

    The classified document that slipped out sometime after the meeting put her name before the public, albeit a small group of inside-the-beltway types, but effectively ended the notion that she was still covert.

    Hmmm...Joe Wilson lied...some patriotic whistleblower doing a good deed...sounds just like the GOP's current Rove talking points...written way back in October of 2003.

    This looks like a deliberate GOP leak, using  Gannon to insulate themselves while painting Wilson and Plame as liars- preemptively.  Rove and Co. are currently deliberately leaking info that is favorable to their defense. That's why they did it on Friday in time for the famous 'News dump'. We should not fall for anything that was 'leaked' today.
    Fitzgerald is leaking nothing. Rove leaks like a sieve.

    Congressman, I know this was a roundabout way to get here, but please have your staff check into the involvement, not of Rove, but of Cheney, Bolton, and Robert Joseph (who is taking Bolton's place at State).
    They definitely dont want to talk about Cheney and have taken great pains to hilight that Wilson 'lied' about Cheney's involvement in the Niger/CIA trip request.  Fertile Ground.

    •  just to clarify (none)
      The CIA questions some of the factual content  in the INR document. They're not suggesting it's a forgery (we've seen enough of those – though it makes sense with an admin that is essentially a forgery itself. But i digress...)

      Some other people to look at are John Hannah, David Wurmser, and William Luti. Here's an interesting editorial at nilemedia, Is Sulzberger Hiding Judith Miller in Jail?

      The fact is that Judith Miller didn't need information from Rove about Wilson's wife. America's 'Doctor Germ' worked very closely with the Office of Special Plans to market the WMD scam to an unsuspecting American public. It is worthwhile to keep in mind the central mission of the neo-cons who staffed the OSP. Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith set up this Pentagon intelligence operation to take a more aggressive approach to uncovering alleged Iraqi links to 9/11 and to 'prove' that Saddam had WMD arsenals. The OSP was tasked with reviewing the work of 'timid' CIA analysts to see if they had 'missed' anything. It stands to reason that the neo-cons at the OSP were familiar with the work of Valerie Plame - an undercover agent specializing in combating the proliferation of WMDs. Agents like Plame were instrumental in exposing the Pakistani role in exporting nuclear technology to Libya.

      So, who would know more about Valerie Plame? Karl Rove or Judith Miller and her neo-con pals at the OSP? Did Rove leak on Miller or did Miller leak on Rove? Why would a hatchet man and a publicist like Rove be privy to the identity of an undercover Pentagon agent? Rove is a prankster and a world class expert in orchestrating smear campaigns. But Miller is the New York Times expert on WMDs who spent years sleeping with the OSP and Ahmed Chalabi. The OSP actually used to cite Miller's articles as reliable sources of information on Iraq's weapons programs. She was, after all, the expert who authored 'Germs' - a bible whose passages were regularly cited as gospel truth by the neo-con War Party.

      An InsightMag article from early last year, Cheney's Staff Focus of Plame Leak Probe, suggests Mr Hannah in more direct terms:

      The strategy of the FBI is to make clear to Hannah "that he faces a real possibility of doing jail time" as a way to pressure him to name superiors, one federal law-enforcement official said.

      John Hannah was a "principal point of contact" for an 'intelligence program' run by the Iraqi National Congress according to this MSNBC article, Cheney and the `Raw' Intelligence.

      Here's a comment on that article from Juan Cole, John Hannah Allegedly Focus of Plame Probe

      So, the OSP may have been privvy to to the identity/occupation of Ms Plame. She might have been one of those analysts being pestered to come up with the correct language back in '02. Mr Hannah was Cheney's man at OSP and was also the "principal point of contact" between OSP & INC. As such, he was a principal behind the 'sexing up' of the intel being used for Junior's deniabilty.

      There's motive.

      "What they found is a silver bullet in the form of a person."

      by subtropolis on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 06:44:56 PM PDT

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  •  Still My Congressman (none)
    even though I'm out of town.  Conyers has been one of our staunchest defenders of freedom.  We got your back, John.

    NOTICE: No warning shots fired on this unit.

    by moltar on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 04:01:42 PM PDT

  •  Thank you Congressman, (none)
    and thanks to my Congressman Rush Holt for also taking the lead on this.
  •  Thank you!! (none)
    Thank you for doing the right thing once again ....
  •  Appreciation (none)
    Thank you Mr. Conyers. You are a real patriot and a statesman, to boot. Keep up your dignified pressure. You may yet save us from ourselves.

    Peace Through Peace,

  •  Hearings (none)
    One request should hearings go forward: PLEASE do NOT grant immunity.
    Thank you.
  •  patriotism (none)
     its really not so confusing, if you think of the bigger picture you really have to conclude these guys are working for the enemy.  they've mismanaged the defence of America, the attack on Bin Laden and the war on Iraq so badly and dishonestly that such incompetence isnt possible without intention to make things worse for their advantage.  the carlyle group & halliburton etc, which includes the bushies and the bin ladens seems to be profiting handsomly, their private armies are growing stronger, while america grows weaker. go ahead and borrow some more money  from china to buy some carlyle group oil or some stuff from our good buddies, that great beacon of democracy, china. (who have just stated they'd nuke our cities if we helped defend taiwan)
    meanwhile, to make america stronger, they'll leak some more cia operatives names in the game of  dirty politics, let in a few million more illegal "employees", blow up a few more billions American dollars, sell off our factories and industries,  make a great profit off Americas pain and blood, and, of course, don't count all those votes.  such patriotism and values!!  enriching themselves at our expense. in 1999 bush said he'd invade iraq for "political capital",  he also said he'd like to be our dictator.
    This is not the first time I have come to you and tried to get you to do the right thing for out party and our country. And it won't be the last. Be a hero to your country and your party. Do your duty as a representative of the federal government DEMAND A FEDERAL I(NVESTIGATION OF THE CBS PAPERS!!THEY ARE FEDERRAL DOCUMENTS!
    You and all the other Democratic leadership are missing the best chance to bring truth into the Bush Administration ever
    The Bush Administration calls them "private papers" and refuses to investigate them.
    BUT THEY ARE FEDERAL DOCUMENTS!!! The federal government MUST investigate them!!
    Look at them:
    Three of them have letterhead of a US Air Force unit, the 111thFIS, they arte official USAF ordders and communications and three of them are signed by the commander of the 111th in performance of his duties!!
    THEY ARE FEDERAL DOCUMENTS!!! And the federal government, dominated by Republicans, are shirking their duty to investigate them!!
    Why are the Republiucans pretending that these are "private papers" like Killian was writing memos to himself?? because, if the documents are real, they show George Bush's superiors conspiring to falsify his documents!! "...I will backdate but not rate..." Col Jery Killian. Col Killian is agreeing to falsify USAF documents--there is no other reading of it that is appropriate. Ask any lawyer or law enforcement person
    The reason the Republicans are not investigating these papers is that they show wrong doing on the part of Bush's superiors (and ultimately George Bush!). Thats why they were kept in a CYA file! You don't keep a CYA file if youre doing the right thing, its to cover your ass when you break the law!
    and: )

    You must demand a thorough investigation of these papers!! The Republicans won the whole issue on this WITHOUT EVER PROVING A THING!!
    They gamed the whole country by getting these papers declared false WITH NO OFFICIAL INVESTIGATION AT ALL!!
    Thats right, Mr Conyers, the Republicans won the whole shooting match WITHOUT EVER PROVING A THING!!
    And you and the Democratic leadership just sat and watched them do it!
    MAKE THE REPUBLICANS PROVE OR DISPROVE THESE PAPERS THE RIGHT WAY--THE LEGAL WAY!! Using the investigative machinery of government, NOT CONSERVATIVE BLOGGERS!!! Karl Rove set up his Blogger's Court with this one and has used it ever since as another branch of media to scare off investigative journalism!
    Its the duty of the federal government to prove or disprove their own paperwork!! Not conservative bloggers!!
    But conservative bloggers put out their "Talking Points" casting doubt AND THATS AS FAR AS IT WENT!!! CONSERVATIVE TALKING POINTS ARE NOTR PROOF!!
    Don't let anyone tell you that the CBS internal investigation found whether the papers were real or not--they didn't!  Its not the job of CBS to prove or disprove federal documents anyway, ITS THE JOB OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!!! ANd the BUsh Administration is shirking it because reviewing Bush's documents will be a great embarassment to him and the USAF, the biggest scandal ever for the USAF.
    If the CBS papers are false, then someone forged official USAF documents and forged the commanders signature on it--THATS A FEDERAL CRIME!! Why hasn't the federal government investigated an obvious federal crime??
    Becuase if the papers are real, they prove Bush's superiors falsified documents on his behalf!!  
    "...I will backdate but not rate..." Col Jerry Kiiian. What Killian is confessing to, agreeiong to, here is a federal crime!! A commander can't put false information on an official USAF forme

    Mr Conyers, whether you agree with me or not that the papers are real, THIS MUST BE SETTLED OFFICIALLY!! There is plenty of eveidence of crimes committed, use their own Talking Points against them:   Notice how many times they use the word: "forgery!" FORGERY OF FEDERAL DOCUMENTS IS A FEDERAL CRIME!!!
    If this website is right, WHY IS THERE NO FEDERAL INVESTIGATION??!! (short answer: because the Republicans got everything they wanted in their Blogger's Court!)
    The Republicans ran all over the Democrats on this affair_they got the story discredited, the MSM discredited and conservative bloggers elevated to the role of "factscheckers to the mainstream media" AND ALL WITHOUT EVER PROVING A THING!!!

    Mr Conyers, this is a chance fo you to be your country and your party's biggest hero. This may be the most important thing you ever do! This cscandal will be bigger than Watergate before its over!
    What I am asking is not that you believe any cockamamie theory--I'm demanding that you do the right thing: Investigate the CBS Papers!! There's plenty of visible eveidence indicating crimes were committed including falsification--possibly forgery--of USAF documents!! Thats  a federal crime!! Why is the federal government shirking its duty to investigate allegedly forged federal documents!!
    Look at the diaries I cite and you'll know for sure.
    DON'T LET THIS ISSUE BE SETTLED BY CONSERVATIVE BLOGGERS!!! Please!! For the good of our country!!Its the LAW!!
    Do the right thing, the legal thing, the moral thing: investigate the CBS papers and prosecute any crimes that may be revealed
    Do it for America, do it for your party, or just do it because its the right thing to do!
    And American and a Democrat


    by exlrrp on Sat Jul 16, 2005 at 03:09:44 AM PDT

  •  I like the spirit, but... (none)
    this is a bad bad idea.  Why give Rove a chance to respond?  Why grant him the floor?  I don't want to "hear him explain his role," I want to string him up by the balls.  I don't want to give him a chance to bamboozle himself out of culpability, I want to tell the world what scum he is.  Instead of letters asking Rove to explain himself, why don't you and your 90 co-signers go on the Sunday morning talk show and unshamefacedly rip Rove a new asshole.

    Stop turning the attention back to them.  We know what they'll do with it.  They'll lie and they'll dissemble and we'll wonder why the hell we ever asked them to "explain themselves" in the first place.  When is the last time a GOP type asked a Democrat to "explain himself?"  Answer: never.  Because they don't bother with that crap.  They go straight for the jugular.  Well it's about time we developed the killer instinct as well.

  •  I think I see how the right (none)
    views this: Rove said he didn't do it. Case closed. Whew, that was a close one! It must suck having to side with those scumbags.

    I think the American people--I hope the American-I don't think, let me--I hope the American people trust me.-George W. Bush

    by kitebro on Sat Jul 16, 2005 at 06:11:10 AM PDT

  •  Valerie Plame broke her cover (none)
    by making a campaign contribution to Al Gore and using the name of a phony employer from what I've read.

    This is not to excuse Novak's article and Rove's apparent failure to notify the CIA of the breach.

    People who work at an embassy are often assumed to be intelligence agents. These agents are attached to the embassy so they will not be shot as spies.

    There is a very large building off Wisconsin Avenue above Georgetown in Washington, DC. It housed people associated with the Soviet Embassy. The Soviets didn't need that many visa clerks.

    Embassies are normally considered nests of spies.

    However, the wife of the ambassador would normally considered a rich socialite and above suspicion. If she makes a Federal campaign contribution, that becomes a public record. If she uses a phony company name, she will place herself in jeopardy.

    The US needs to rethink plans to expand the number of secret agents. It is just too dangerous.


    •  Plame gave name of phony employer (none)
      You mean when she made a campaign contribution in her name and listed her employer as Brewster Jennings??  Of course she did!  THAT WAS HER COVER!  Duh.

      Look at it like this.  You remember in the early days of "Alias", when we saw the lovely Sidney living with her roommates, and they all thought she worked as a clerk in a bank?  Or something like that, she just had to "travel" in her job occasionally.  But they did all believe she worked at a company very different than the Agency she really works for, in the series.  It was her COVER.

      Same with Mrs. Wilson.  If any of her neighbors ever asked her where she was employed, she likely would've replied "Brewster Jennings & Assoc." or whatever they were called.

      Brewster Jennings was never outted as a CIA dummy-front company (in all the years it was developing intel "assets") until BOB NOVAK published about it in his outing of Valerie Plame Wilson.  This is the true crime that is being investigated, no doubt.  

      Because even if Mrs. Wilson wasn't actively "in the field" at the time of Novak's treachery, there were no doubt a number of agents and intel "assets" across the globe who were active at that moment and who were grossly compromised in that instant.  Horrendously so and to our nation's great security and safety detriment.  I'm sure this is what the Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald is going to clarify for us in his investigation, and most likely why the CIA called for this investigation of the leak as soon as it happened.  VERY SERIOUS BREACH OF OUR NATIONAL SECURITY.

      Don't let the spin make you too dizzy.  That's what RoveCo is hoping to do.

      •  Thank You, Rep. Conyers (none)
        You are my hero, ever since that letter and the hearing on the DSM, and continuing.  We need more like you on Capitol Hill.  And thank you for bringing this to dKos, too.  You rock!
      •  Randi Rhodes on Novack outting Brewster-Jennings (none)
        Has anyone else heard anything more on this:

        Randi Rhodes on AirAmerica had some interesting insights into Brewster-Jennings, the CIA front company that Plame was working at to trace back Saudi-terrorist money channels.  Since Novak apparently went out of his way to out that company as well as Plame, Rhodes contends that there might be some Bush/Saudi oil interests at work here as well.

      •  Her cover was as worthless (none)
        as an unarmored Humvee in Iraq.

        The Wingnut Press was not happy with the statements of Ambassador Wilson saying Iraq wasn't trying to buy yellowcake uranium. The Wingnut Press then tried to discredit Wilson by digging through his past for something to show that he was either crooked, stupid, or vile. Failing to find anything to discredit Wilson, the Wingnut Press investigated his wife to see if she was either crooked, stupid, or vile. What they found by computer searching was that she made a campaign contribution to Al Gore. This was enough to establish partisanship. Then there was the strange company name of Brewster Jennings. Perhaps this company did something worthy of attack. Diligent searching found that it apparently did nothing at all. Perhaps Wilson's partisan Democratic wife was getting paid big bucks to do nothing by somebody or something. What a story!!! Best check with the master Wingnuts like Rove just in case. Rove probably told them that they were going to blow the cover of dozens of people at the CIA.

        I can only speculate Novak published in order to expose foreign counterintelligence people rushing in to try to round up prewarned American spies.

        I suspect that this will be the official story.

    Here's a perfect example of just how low, how absolutely contemptuous, conservatives can be...

    As stated in, on the July 12th edition of Fox New's "The Big Story," host John Gibson commented that "White House deputy chief of staff Karl Rove should be given 'a medal' for outing covert CIA operative Valerie Plame, adding that Plame 'should have been outed by somebody.'"

    Yes, this cretin actually said that somebody should have outed a covert CIA operative, therefore exposing every CIA operation she ever worked on and potentially putting the life of every foreign "asset" she ever worked with at risk -- foreigners who risked their safety in order to aid the U.S.  And that the traitor who does so should be given a medal!  (At least Gibson should be given credit for ackowledging the obvious, that Rove did indeed "out" Plame.)  

    A stunning -- and 100% factual -- example of the depraved, amoral partisans who are cheerleading for the Bush administration.  

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